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that's also our broadcast for this wednesday evening. thanks for being here with us. on behalf of all of our colleagues at networks of nbc news, good night from our temporary field headquarters. temporary field headquarters. tonight on all in, nascar bans the confederate flag and the president defends the confederacy. it's america 2020. the coronavirus still raging. 21 states now seeing a surge in cases and trump's own task force raising new alarms. the pandemic that hasn't gone anywhere. plus, stacey abrams is here on george's spectacular voting failure. and what americans should be worried about in november. and heather mcgee on the seismic shift in american views on racism when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the coronavirus is not gone, and worst of that in some places it looks to be roaring back. things have gotten much better
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in new york and new jersey and many others. but in many states things have gotten much worse. and you wouldn't know that if you listened to the white house. donald trump does not like bad news, he doesn't like to confront reality, which is why he told us the cases which just crossed two million were going down to zero. and crucially and perhaps more importantly, donald trump just has a painfully short attention span. we talked about the fact the president abandoned any pretense of caring of spread of the virus and over a hundred thousand deaths. he got bored a month ago when he could no longer use coronavirus briefings as political rallies and just flitted on to the next thing. you see it in everything he does. just today amidst all of the unrest, crisis, he was complaining fox news cut away from a congressional hearing he was watching at 11:00 a.m. on a weekday. this afternoon he threaded together a truly bazaar argument
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highlighting a history of winning, victory and freedom, all attributes not typically associated with the confederacy. donald trump as the attention span of a fruit fly, but the thing about it is the virus is still there. it's not gone. there is still a pandemic to manage and things are getting worse in parts of the country and nobody at the federal level appears to be managing it. do you remember dr. anthony fauci? yesterday he popped up to say, hey, it isn't over. >> now we have something that indeed turns out to be my worst nightmare. if you just think about it, in a period of four months, it has devastated the world. like, oh, my goodness, when is it going to end? it really is very complicated. so we're just at almost the beginning of really understanding. >> we are almost at the beginning of really
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understanding the virus. meanwhile, the cdc, centers for disease control, is just totally absent as far as we could tell in this time of need. earlier today i had to stop and think very hard, concentrate even to remember the name of the man who is supposedly in charge. his name is robert redfield. when was the last time we saw him? the white house coronavirus task force continues to fade as a second wave of the virus is emerging. in recent weeks, the group has metaphor mali just three times. its members have begun drafting a final after-action report, as if the action is over, highlighting the president's response is expected to be completed in the upcoming weeks. there is no after because the pandemic is not gone. new cases are skyrocketing in arizona after the state reopened without a pattern of declining cases and without following the white house's own cdc recommendations. arizona's former health director who was on this show last night warned the state could need a
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new stay at home order less than a month after reopening. but arizona is not the only state where the pandemic is still raging. this is what new cases look like in texas. "the washington post" reports the state has seen a 36% increase in new cases since memorial with a record, and this is key because this takes out the testing question, right, a record 2,056 current hospitalizations as of early tuesday afternoon. that's actually the largest spike in the country. right behind it is north carolina. this right here is the day where the state relaxed its stay-at-home order, and it did not look like a great idea even then. today north carolina had a record high coronavirus hospitalizations with more than 1,000 new cases. and as dr. anthony fauci referred, there is so much we don't know how the virus behaves. there's so much we are learning. we know it is highly contagious. but certain situations doomed for disaster also turned out okay. we all saw this footage of people crowded into the swimming pools in the lake of the ozarks
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in missouri. that seemed like a recipe for disaster, especially after it was confirmed at least one infected person was there. but somehow there appear to be no new confirmed cases from the lake of the ozarks crowds which is good. two hair stylists tested positive, exposing nearly 140 people to it. but none of the 46 people who took tests tested positive. it is possible because the salon, to its credit, required people to wear masks and used other preventative measures such as separating salon chairs and staggering appointments. a new study from the u.k. says widespread mask wearing could be a huge part of the answer. quote, the study found if people wear masks wherever they are in public it is twice as effective in reducing the r value than if masks are only worn after appear. if everyone wears a mask fewer will get the disease.
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that appears to be increasingly the case, right? grounded in the science as we have learned it. it just seems really simple. it is why it is so crazy, counter productive, insane, cruel to be wearing masks a cultural wedge issue. we should not see these images on the streets of new york city where the protesters basically all have masks and none of the cops do. why? the president of the united states should not be mocking reporters for wearing face masks and making fun of joe biden for wearing one because not only is the president given up on helping the coronavirus, he gave a long time ago. he's actually making it worse. we're staring down the first real post lockdown outbreaks right now. not only has the president completely ignored the virus, he's steered people away from taking the necessary steps to protect themselves. oklahoma, florida, texas and arizona, which has an outbreak that looks to be spiraling out of control as well as north
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carolina at an appropriate time. states that are not doing so well as it relates to the virus. here's the thing. this is the new normal. this is the new normal in terms of the virus and in terms of the administration we have. we need to ask ourselves how are we going to deal with them? one of the best informed people i know about the coronavirus and what it's doing around the country, professor of global health and the director of the harvard global health institute. i want to start with something you said, i think earlier today, in terms of estimates that the modeling you are working on suggests we might have 200,000 total deaths, another 90,000 or so deaths by the end of the summer in the u.s. is that correct? >> yes. so the best estimates out there, chris, are that we're going to hit 200,000 some time during the month of september. if you think about where we are, 800 to 1,000 people are dying every day. that's about 25,000 to 30,000 a month.
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go out three months and you understand by september we will cross that mark and the pandemic won't even be done by then. it is unbelievable to me that we have just become immune to this level of suffering and have just come to accept it as a reality when it doesn't have to be. >> well, i think part of that, though, part of it is that when you look at the national data and aggregate, it looks like we're moving in the right direction because so much of the hospitalizations, infections and deaths were driven by the new york metro area which has spiked and really come down quite rapidly, it could be confusing. but what goes through your mind when you look at texas and arizona particularly, particularly arizona because that -- the spike in arizona looks real bad to me. >> yeah. it looks like even potential growth. if you don't jump on it, at some point you will be forced with only one option, which is stay at home and shut the economy
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down. it's a very scarey picture, and that's what we were able to avoid for the country. now we will see individual states confronting it, and they will have to ask themselves, do they have an appetite for shutting down again. >> that to me is a really important question because there is containment and mitigation. containment means you have a small enough number of cases and capacity enough to test and trace that you can kind of play whack a mole with people that are getting the virus. you can get them quarantined, you can try to keep them away from people. when the numbers get big enough which is what happened in the u.s. and new york and many countries you just can't contain it. you have to mitigate which means shut things down. that emergency brake lever doesn't seem an available political option in these places. >> yeah. and we don't want to get to a point where that becomes the only option, right? >> right. >> but what happens is if the hospitals get overwhelmed, if doctors and nurses start getting sick, if large numbers of people start dying, then that becomes a political option again.
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who wants to get there? why do we want that as our strategy? >> i have to say the silver lining i keep coming back to as i walk around with my mask, which i don't like personally, but i wear it all the time, is that it does really seem increasingly masks really can be a key here. when you look at the experience that japan has had particularly and hong kong and taiwan and other cases where mask wearing is almost ubiquitous that maybe if we all wear masks we can really do a lot by just putting this stupid thing on our faces, we could have a tremendous effect. >> yeah. you know, the evidence on this has really been changing and is getting stronger and better day by day. and what i say to people, people who bring up this issue of freedom, i'm like, you know what gives you freedom to get back to life and not get sick and die, wearing a mask, maintaining social distancing, having testing and wearing a mask.
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it is striking to me that we have seen freedom as the freedom not to wear a mask, not freedom to get our lives back, and that's part i think of what masks get you. >> we should say that this study says we could be looking at reducing infections by, you know, getting our beneath one, which is the key. if you just have 50% of people wearing masks. i guess the last question for you is about the president's rallies. obviously, we have seen huge protests across the country. a lot of mask wearing, but not always. it is outdoors as opposed to indoors, but people are pretty packed together. there is lots of concern about what that means. what do you think about a big indoor rally, particularly if it is the case that not wearing a mask becomes the performance of one's political identity? >> yeah. you know, in terms of the protests, while i support the protesters and what they are protesting, i have been worried. but they do have the advantage of most people are wearing masks. it's outside. i think being outside is also a really big benefit.
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large indoor rallies without masks, i feel like they're asking for more outbreaks and really big ones and i don't know what the president would subject his own supporters to this. >> yeah, it's madness. i know they have done outdoor rallies before. but we'll see whether they actually do that. thank you for making the time. >> thanks, chris. of all the states facing spikes, this chart from arizona tells quite the story. the curve there was never really flattened. arizona's daily tally has spiked so high the state sent hospitals a letter urging them to activate emergency plans. joining me now someone who has been doing great reporting in arizona, a health care reporter for the arizona republic. first just give us a snapshot from where you stand of what the discussion is in the state right now about what is happening with the virus in arizona. >> well, i think, first of all, my colleagues and i first started noticing a spike a couple of weeks ago, and we have been trying to get the state to say that there is an increased
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community spread. we have been able to get some experts to say that. so far the arizona department of health services has not actually said that. they have been telling people not to panic but to practice social distancing and other measures. however, the state's largest health system has started to take a lead in this role. they held a press conference on friday and said these numbers are really concerning and people need to wear masks and do not get complacent about social distancing. >> that's interesting. you're talking about there's the public health apparatus of the state of arizona and then a private hospital system, right, or a health care providing system and it's the latter that has called the press conference to say we're worried. >> they did. and also the maricopa county of health also called a press
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conference. they both did that a day after the governor and our state department had a press conference, which i think that banner health and maricopa county didn't feel answered all the questions that they had and all the messaging that they wanted to get out. >> one of the things we've seen is political leaders not want it to be the case when there's an outbreak, they send a message down the chain it's not that bad it's going to be fine until it's too late. we've seen this replay over and over. i guess what's the tenor of the message from the governor and the folks in sort of political leadership about where this state is at? is it don't worry this is under control? >> yeah, that's the message that i'm hearing from the state health department. and i know one of our congressmen, he just sent a letter to governor ducey saying,
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look, you've got to have more leadership on this. you've got to tell people what's going on because we don't feel we're getting enough direction, and he pointed out some of the numbers from recent days. which today we had 1,500 new cases which was the second highest daily new cases that were reported. so there is some of that going on. i mean, his was the first letter i've seen, but i get the sense from the state they're saying, you know, don't panic. and even the letter that dr. chris, our state health director sent on saturday, they said to me, well, that was really a reiteration of what we sent in march, and we weren't sending it from a position of panic. >> so just to be clear on the data here, because there is some states where testing capacities increase tremendously and texas for a while has sort of said, look, we're testing a lot more, that's why you are seeing more cases, arizona has a bunch of metrics, not just positive cases, all the numbers appear to line up to show that there is an outbreak happening.
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>> sure. and when you see increased positive cases, that could be due to the fact that we're doing a lot more testing. it was really hard to get a test in arizona at the beginning, as it was in many parts of the country. but a lot of the indicators we're seeing are not just because of increased testing. when you have -- you're reaching record levels of people in the hospital for suspected and confirmed covid, that's not due to increased testing. when you are seeing increases in the percent of positive cases, that trend should be going down. it should not be going up, regardless of how much testing you are doing. >> final question, you talked about banner health, which is a private health care center sounding the alarm. how much are you hearing alarm or worry from hospitals, particularly icus, things like that, medical providers? >> well, banner health has really been a leader on that. they have been very candid with
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the press, anyway, telling us what their capacities are. they actually reached capacity on saturday, which is the external lung machine. and it's really helping us as the press try to tell the public what's going on. so that's been really helpful that they're doing that. >> yeah. that's interesting. private data sort of a bedrock of trying to get our hands around the shape. thank you very much for making some time for us. >> thanks for having me. >> up next, stacey abrams on the election catastrophe in georgia, what it portends for november and what could be done about it right after this. working to care for all of us. at novartis, we promise to do our part. as always, we're doing everything we can to help keep cosentyx accessible and affordable. if you have any questions at all, call us, email us, visit us online. we're here to help support you when you need us.
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this morning, the day after georgia's statewide election which had been delayed so they had some time to prepare for it, this was the front page of the atlanta journal-constitution. complete melt down. voting places were not working, people waited in line for up to seven hours to vote. some voters just gave up and went home. one can hardly blame them. at one point, a dry erase board in the secretary of state's office showed 20 separate counties in georgia where judges had to step in to extend voting hours because the lines were so long. the co-founder of black voters matter was in union city, georgia and tweeted the last voter walked out at 12:37 a.m. then they called the police on us.
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but we told them we would not leave until we voted. voting lines were so bad yesterday that people in line were organizing themselves. >> they say they have escalated this particular issue to the secretary of state's office, but we know how that goes. so what we need you to do in the meantime because this is what we call voter suppression, we need you all to call election protection hotline. you may get a voice mail when you call. please leave a message. >> georgia's republican governor brian kemp has so far stayed silent on the recent problems with voting according to the associated press. the secretary of state put the blame on local officials. even though georgia under the previous secretary of state has been notorious for making it more difficult to vote. so much so it's led to multiple lawsuits. in fact, one of the organizations that sued the state ran against kemp for governor in 2018, stacey abrams,
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author of the new book, and stacey abrams joins me now. it's great to have you and i thought maybe we'd start with your own story. i saw you had your own story of voting and the difficulties of it yesterday. can you tell us what happened to you? >> absolutely. so because of the pandemic, because we were encouraging people to vote by mail because that was the safest way to vote, not only for the voter but also for voters who didn't have a choice, i attempted to vote by mail. i eventually got my ballot. i filled it out and when i got ready to put it in the return envelope, it was sealed shut. i then attempted to steam it open because i watch too many mystery shows. it did not work and so yesterday i went to stand in line with fellow georgians to cast my ballot. >> it's been remarkable -- kemp has not said anything about, and the lines from the secretary of state has been -- this was on the various precincts. this was on the counties. they screwed this up.
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i want to read you a quote from the statewide voting implementation manager who said the following. these are unfortunate. they are not issues of the equipment but counties engaging in poor planning, limited training and failures of leadership. what do you think about that? >> that he misunderstands or deliberately is indifferent to the needs of voters. the secretary of state decided to purchase $107 million worth of new equipment. he was responsible for the implementation of these changes. in fact, he used $400,000 that was allocated by the federal government to help with the implementation of elections and he used it to be an advertisement of how good he was because he got these machines. the constitution of georgia puts the responsibility for the administration of elections on the secretary of state. the counties are the local instruments, but the secretary of state is responsible. and even the challenge of implementing new equipment isn't
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new. in 2002, democrat kathy cox had the same responsibility. she provided staffing, training, mailed instructions to every single voter, had emergency stand-by, had 100 extra secretary of state staffers ready to help. none of those things were available. instead what we saw were inoperable machines, miscommunication, failed training and failed direction, all of which lay squarely at the feet of the secretary of state. >> there is a question here about incompetence versus malice, obviously, and there is a long history here both in georgia in recent memory going back to a very, very long time going back to reconstruction. the brennen center has studied this issue. it shows that long wait times disproportionately affect black and latino voters. and a new york times columnist put it this way, an election where people are waiting for 7 or 8 hours to cast a ballot is not a free and fair election. do you agree with that? >> absolutely.
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we know in the state of georgia you do not have the right to pay when you are voting. you do not have the right to be paid. which means people sacrifice a days wage to try and cast a vote. and these are largely communities that are working class, working poor. they're not making a lot to begin with. to cast a ballot, it's a poll tax. but we know even more that you raise the question of incompetence versus malice. in georgia it's both. there is a malfeasance that is permeating the entirety of voting system and exacerbated by the incompetence of the leadership that refuses to number one do its job but two doesn't seem to understand what the job is. that's what we face in georgia. but let's be clear. this didn't just happen in georgia. it also happened in south carolina and nevada to a lessor extent and certainly without the
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clownish behavior of the secretary of state. but across the country, we are seeing this combination of incompetence and malfeasance putting voters of color at risk of not being heard in our democracy. >> there's also been in iowa, the iowa state senate today wanted to block the iowa secretary of state, the republican, from mailing out absentee ballots to all the voters, something that's happened under the republican secretary of state of ohio and michigan. it is not a partisan issue. what do you make of this increasingly partisan attack? right now, our first block of the show was the pandemic hasn't gone anywhere and we're not in cold and flu season and we're not in the fall when people expect it to be worse. >> we know that it's going to be worse. we know that people want to be heard. we are in the midst of a public health crisis, an economic collapse, a deep distrust of our justice system and we have a voting system that republicans are doing their level best to make as unusable as possible. republicans have been fighting
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across this country to fight back against expansion or at least access to voting rights. but we also know that republican leaders know better. they use absentee ballots. they know that vote by mail works. they are not concerned about fraud with vote by mail. they're concerned about participation and the reason we see people pushing back is that in the state of iowa, there is a real strong likelihood that democrats will outperform republicans, so this is the best way to constrain their participation. what we saw happen in georgia was that more democrats voted in this election than voted in previous primaries, including in 2016. >> interesting. >> and this record turnout looks different, looks like disaster for them and so they're going to do their level best to limit who can actually have a voice in our elections. >> you raised the turnout yesterday. georgia has two contested senate seats, two contested senate primaries yesterday, along with the presidential primary which
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had been delayed. there is polling showing the president and joe biden essentially tied in georgia or around there. election day in georgia is going to be bonkers just at a turn-out level. two senate seats and also the presidential. you've got to imagine that any competent administrator would have to be planning for an enormous turn-out in november. >> which is why it's so dangerous that brad is denying responsibility. the resources for scaling up our elections, both in georgia and around the country, will have to come from the hero's act. it will have to come from the federal government. but if the secretary of state is not intending to use those resources to help the local officials meet the moment, then we know our elections are going to collapse. we have seen what voter suppression can do in georgia. and i know that the turn-out in this upcoming election is going to dwarf the record turn-out we had in 2018. 2018 we had the single largest turn out of democratic voters in voter history. that number is going to be much
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higher in 2020 because recovery from the pandemic, recovery from the systemic injustices that we saw that took the life of ahmaud arbery, george floyd and breonna taylor. people know if we don't solve this problem in this election, we do not have a future for many people in this country. >> stacey abrams, thank you so much for taking some time tonight. >> thank you for having me. coming up as george floyd's brother testified before congress today, tonight a pretty stunning development in the killing of breonna taylor. that's next. ext. ♪
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become a rallying cry for protesters around the country as the nation grapples with the aftermath of three high profile killings of african-americans in repeat months. arbery, george floyd, both of which were captured on tape. and one that was not captured on tape. and that's taylor in louisville. the facts surrounding her death appear to be as every bit outrageous as the ones we've seen on video. she was an emergency room technician. she also worked as a certified emt and she was a front line worker facing the beginning of the coronavirus crisis. and in the early morning hours of march 13th, he was at home with her boyfriend kenny walker and they were asleep in bed when they heard a loud banging at the door. police officials claim the detectives at taylor's door announced their presence, but walker and neighbors say they never heard anyone identify themselves. when no one opened the door, detectives used a battering ram to force their way in. police documents say. walker, the boyfriend, called 911 believing their house was being invaded. why would he not?
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someone had just barged in. and he fired one round of warning to scare away the invader. police responded with a hail of bullets, according to walker's attorney, firing more than 22 rounds. at least 8 of which struck breonna taylor. the officers were there to execute a no knock search warrant based on police's belief that a suspect in a narcotics investigation used taylor's home address to receive mail, keep money. well, no drugs were found in taylor's apartment and neither had any criminal history or drug convictions. the three responding officers are all on administrative reassignment pending investigation as is the officer who requested the warrant. but breonna taylor's family and activists are pushing for more as she would have turned 27 years old last week. >> she literally was the sweetest person ever. >> the car rides was fun with my sister. i have friends when my sister passed away they were telling me
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they admired our relationship. they wished they and their siblings were like that. it is so weird that her birthday is this friday and she is not getting on my last nerves talking about does this match, i've got a hair appointment, you feed to do this for me, it's so weird. she's not here. t here
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george called for help, and he was ignored. please listen to the call i'm making to you now, to the calls of our family and the calls ringing out the streets across the world. people of all backgrounds, genders and races have come together to demand change. honor them. honor george. and make the necessary changes that make law enforcement the solution and not the problem. >> that was george floyd's brother, philonise floyd, appearing before the house
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judiciary committee today. it is the first congressional hearing since floyd's killing set off a wave of national protests. the hearing was designed to spark a police reform bill that would, among measures ban chokeholds and no knock warrants like the one used in breonna taylor's case in drug cases. senate republicans are also working on a bill led by the senate's only black republican, tim scott of south carolina, who is suggesting his bill will not include some of the strongest measures sought by democrats in the house. the white house says the president may announce measures to address policing tomorrow. members of his administration today were out in front of cameras denying systemic racism even exists. >> i don't believe there's systemic racism in the u.s. i'm not going to go into a long riff on it. i do not. >> at all in the u.s.? >> i do not. >> i will say it again. i do not. >> does the president feel that there is systemic racism in law enforcement? >> the president has been very clear there are injustices in society. >> he doesn't think there is
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systemic racism. >> he believes most of our police officers are good, hard working people and there is a lot of evidence of that and he has great faith in our police department. >> i'm joined now by david cicilline, member of the house judiciary committee that held that hearing today and the mayor of the city of providence. what did you view of the goal of today's hearing? >> the goal of today's hearing, chris, was to really lay out the importance of moving forward, some real reforms to improve police accountability to ensure that law enforcement is working for the people of this country in a fair and equitable way and we hold police officers accountable when they engage in it. it was an opportunity to hear from mr. floyd's brother who gave powerful testimony about his brother's death and really called us to action saying, his name is well known. your names will be well known too if you move forward with
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bold action. and we heard from experts and civil rights advocates and folk who is have studied law enforcement in significants ways about what are the best ways to legislation, which i think is most interesting around which there is a little bit of sort of cross ideological consensus is ending qualified immunity as it's been interpreted by the supreme court. it's a doctrine that has been interpreted by the supreme court to essentially make it almost impossible to sue a police officer or a department for a conduct even that's wildly egregious or unconstitutional. how important do you think that is? do you think that's something you might find traction? tim scott today said he's not interested in that, but other republicans seem to be. >> i think it is something we should find traction with. this is sort of the centerpiece accountability, police officers who engage in misconduct that resulted in citizens being harmed and sometimes killed, they have to be held accountable. the way the court has interpreted that doctrine that
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they essentially created basically immunizes police officers from being held accountable for even gross misconduct. and you can't have a system that enjoys the respect of the american people if misconduct can occur without any accountability. and, so, i think that's an important part of the legislation as well as the banning chokeholds, as well as the provisions to end racial profiling, as well as the training pieces, the registry for police officers who have misconduct. this is a moment that the country expects us to act and enact meaningful reforms for that will respond to the demands the people are making for real change in our country. >> it seems to me there is sort of two conversations happening in america. one is a conversation among i think a majority of americans of all races about the sort of spectrum of ways of attacking the problem, reform versus more
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radical solutions. then there is the president and, you know, sort of the kind of hard core who don't really want to have the conversation. do you see any openness among house republicans? we know the senate is working on something. do you see your house republican colleagues to engage on this issue? >> well, it's interesting. the hearing today was really revealing. many of my republican colleagues acknowledged the seriousness of this issue, expressed a willingness to respond in a meaningful way and to work with us to move forward with a response. they expressed commitments to mr. floyd that they would take this effort seriously. and, so, you know, i think it shows the power of the people in this country, that people all across america are marching and demanding change. young people, old people, people of every background. and i think my republican colleagues are feeling that. this is a moment, a historic opportunity to respond to a problem that has existed for generations in this country, the
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scourge of racism, of disparate treatment in the criminal justice system and policing is really a stain on the soul of our country. and my republican colleagues i think today at least used some language that shows they're open to it. of course, we will mark the bill up next week, and we'll have an opportunity to sort of test how sincere they are about doing something about this by how they vote. >> final question for you. i noticed in my reporting on this issue for years that politicians, particularly democrat politicians, african-american, white, latino sound very different as mayors when running a police force. the providence police force has a very, very spotty if not ugly history. back in 2010 there were people who wanted you to get rid of the chief police, calling for him to resign, described marred by corruption and mismanagement. >> when i took over the providence police department, it was a department that was under a patterns and practice investigation by the department
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of justice. crime was on the increase. the community was at war with the police and people had really lost confidence in the department. i brought on a new chief. we brought down the crime rates to the lowest crime rate in 40 years. we opened nine new community substations. we wept from being underinvestigationed which i inherited to a fully accredited police department. and the police really became fully integrated into the community. that he served on housing association boards and we opened nine neighborhood substations. so i really saw that the ability to transform a department with the community, the community-based police department with extraordinary results. it is hard work, but it is central to what you have to do to make sure cities are successful. >> thanks for being with me
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today. >> my pleasure. coming up, heather mcgee on new polling that shows nationwide protests are having incredible impacts. the stunning announcement as well from nascar. they're banning the confederate flag. we're going to talk about those things next. e going to talk abo things next.
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this is a live scene in portsmouth, virginia. there is an impromptu protest outside of a confederate monument that is in that town. virginia is the home to more confederate monuments than any state in the union. of course they dot the landscape of america. there's even many u.s. army bases and other bases named after them. there's something incredible happening with american public opinion. just today nascar, an institution for many in rural white america, an institution that has struggled with expanding and diversifying its base, announced it would ban confederate flags from its events and properties. saying the presence of confederate flag at nascar events runs contrary to our commitment to providing a welcoming environment. the display of the confederate flag will be prevented from all nascar events and properties. in the wake of the most
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significant street protest in at least a generation perhaps longer public opinion appears to be moving rapidly in the direction of the protesters. just look at this graph from "the new york times" upshot. support for black lives matter increased as much as it had over the previous two years. here to talk about this someone who wrote a book on this topic, the sum of us, what racism costs everyone and how we can prosper together," she did a ted talk last year about how people understand racism and what it means for them. heather mcghee. he heather, there was so much tension and worry in the wake of the protests when they started from people, particularly i think like white liberals who were like oh, god, it's going to help donald trump. oh, no, no, no. and it is really -- it's like a case study in street protests and public opinion. i myself am actually kind of shocked by the data. what do you see happening here? >> i think we see a few things happening.
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one, i think we were primed for this moment by the coronavirus. by a lot of the american mythology being laid bare. one the idea that we can be relentlessly upwardly mobile and that white folks have sort of their grasp on the american dream. when the economy shut down and people realized that they were one or two paychecks away from destitution and the government may not be there for them, there was a sense of vulnerability and physical vulnerability. as we saw, the coronavirus made people lean into their neighbors and show so much solidarity and interdependence. once you tap into that source of vulnerability, interdependence humanity and an awareness of inequality that the coronavirus has exposed you're primed for something big. and then george floyd was murdered on video, on top of the videos that we have and videos that we don't have of so many of the other acts of racism, breonna taylor, ahmaud arbery, christian, the bird watcher in
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new york. it was like lightning striking when you feel that electricity building up in a storm. and so that's why, i think, we have this incredible thing happening with public opinion. but it's also because of movements, because movements are powerful. the movement for black lives has been working on this day in and day out, in big street protests and in small reading circles and in fights online and in calling people in and calling people out since trayvon martin was killed. >> yeah, we're watching it. just so people know, we were watching someone take a sledgehammer to a confederate monument. this monument is sort of unnamed confederate soldiers, many of which have been torn down. they were erected as explicit memorializations of white supremacy and a victory lap over the quality that was pushed through in reconstruction. we are watching them come down in powerful moments of symbolism. the polling here, heather,
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you've got the last few weeks. you've also got if you look back 2011 poll on racism, how big a problem is racism for society? 21% of white people saying it's a big problem. now you've got 60% of white respondents. there's something happening. i see people caricature it or they use woke in these sort of the way they use pc in these condescending quotation marks, but there is something happening in the consciousness of white people in america about race. >> 100%. we've never had an enduring lasting change without this kind of multi racial coalition. it's so important that this consciousness change, because what am i talking about when i say consciousness. i mean our beliefs. what do we believe about the different groups of people that make up this country. we've seen consciousness change
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on issues like lgbtq equality and marriage equality. consciousness changed and then policy changed. we've seen in contrast policy change without consciousness change. i call to mind brown versus board of education. >> great, great point. >> you had a policy change that was resisted not ten years later by the supreme court and a backlash that was very much, i think, driven hand in hand with the rise of the new jim crow and mass incarceration where the belief and the inherent sort of goodness and innocence of black and brown children has not actually followed, and it didn't predate the court decision. we have schools that are as segregated as they were before brown. this consciousness change is going to see ripples all over the place. they're seen with the party in virginia right now saying it's time for a new america and that's what they're saying. >> that is an incredible and illuminating framework. by the way, i'm watching a black man take a sledgehammer to a monument to white supremacy erected on public land to
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essentially celebrate the subjugation of african-americans after a brief taste of program for equality. in fact many of the confederate monuments, i don't know the particular history of this one throughout the south were erected in the wake of brown v. board as precisely this backlash politics. in the 40 seconds we have left, do you fear the backlash politics? in the era of donald trump, people are scared of it and it always looms large. >> of course there will be a backlash but here's the question, are we going to be strong enough to defeat it, and i think we are. i think you are seeing the longest, most sustained protests in american history. there will always be a backlash, they'll always have a lot of money and a lot of the media in terms of the right-wing media, but this moral moment that we are being called to i think is stronger than any backlash. >> heather mcghee, one of my favorite people in the world to talk to always. it's wonderful to see you. thank you very much. well, long live the union as that soldier monument comes down.
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that is "all in" for this evening. "the 11th hour with brian williams starts right now. well, good evening once again. day one,238 now of the trump administration. 146 days until our next presidential election. protests continue unabated as george floyd's brother calls on congress to enact change and the president tries to decide where he will land as our nation faces a reckoning on policing and justice and inequality. fill low is in floyd came to lafayette square this evening marching with lawmakers in the area near the white house where federal officers last week used chemicals and clubs and horses to clear demonstrators


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